By Nick Catoggio
Friday, September 05, 2025
Most congressional hearings can be safely ignored,
especially at a moment when the majority party behaves as though Congress
shouldn’t exist. Thursday’s Senate Finance Committee hearing with Health
and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is an exception.
One thing that made this hearing different was the arrogance of
the witness, a remarkable change from the humility and conciliation he
displayed during his confirmation hearing earlier this year. Cabinet
secretaries don’t typically take a tone with their legislative inquisitors.
“The lawmakers Kennedy was chiding not only have the power to investigate his
work at HHS; they also control the funds he needs to keep his agency running,” The
Atlantic noted.
RFK felt free to be himself, I assume, because he
understood that he was addressing cowards. The Republicans who confirmed him
knew what he would do at HHS, their current expressions of shock
notwithstanding, but voted for him anyway because they feared retaliation by
Donald Trump if they didn’t. For the same reason, they won’t lift a finger to
meaningfully impede his project to destroy
public health in America. As long as Kennedy has the trust and friendship
of our monarch, and
he does, he can be as contemptuous of our contemptible Potemkin Congress as
he likes.
Another noteworthy element from yesterday’s hearing was
how Sen. Bill Cassidy chose to attack Kennedy’s vaccine skepticism.
Regular readers know
about Cassidy. He’s a doctor—one of several in the Republican conference,
ironically, given the party’s hostility
to scientific expertise—and provided the
key vote that got Kennedy confirmed to his position. On Thursday, he
surprised RFK with a gotcha: Don’t you agree that our amazing president deserves a Nobel
Prize for helping bring the COVID mRNA vaccines to market so quickly in
2020, he asked?
That was a Catch-22, the postliberal equivalent of asking
a religious believer whether God can make a rock so heavy that he himself can’t
lift it. For a Trump crony, the answer to any question about whether the boss
should be getting more praise and recognition is yes, yes, a thousand times
yes. But Kennedy had agreed minutes earlier that the COVID vaccine causes “serious
harm, including death, especially among young people.” So, which is it: Is
Donald Trump a humanitarian icon or a mass murderer?
The secretary knew which answer he had to give and
dutifully gave it, sidestepping the contradiction in his position by claiming
that the vaccine was helpful earlier in the pandemic. What was compelling about
the exchange was seeing a Republican M.D. reduced to framing the scientific
case for immunization in the most lowbrow tribalist way imaginable. In a
movement where loyalty matters more than logic, the senator was more likely to
persuade constituents by arguing that anti-vaxxism is an insult to the
president than that it’ll get children killed.
One could even read Cassidy’s Nobel hype as a sly joke on
Trump’s narcissism and the shallowness of his cult of personality. Vaccine
proponents won’t talk the White House into defending mRNA vaccines from
populist demagoguery by promoting their astounding
medical potential, but dangle a prize in front of the king and who
knows what might happen?
There’s one more reason the hearing was interesting. Sane
Republicans don’t typically push back hard on the crank faction when the latter
is aligned with Trump, as it usually is and was in this case. But Cassidy, Sen.
John Barrasso (another M.D.), and Sen. Thom Tillis all came at Kennedy for the
havoc he’s caused at the Centers for Disease Control and the repercussions
that mayhem is having
for American public health. Their boldness was unusual.
What explains it? Is a Republican schism forming over
vaccines?
A kook minority.
There’s no
doubt that today’s right is far more skeptical of immunization than the
left. There is doubt, though, as to how widespread that skepticism on
the right is.
NBC News reported
yesterday that the Republicans who quizzed Kennedy were privy to new data
gathered by GOP pollsters on the subject of vaccination. “There is broad unity
across party lines supporting vaccines such as measles (MMR), shingles,
tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis (TDAP), and Hepatitis B,” the pollsters
concluded, finding “broad agreement that vaccines should continue to be made
available at no cost, including two-thirds of Trump voters and more than eight
out of 10 swing voters.”
Asked whether vaccines save lives, 73 percent of those
who voted for the president last fall said yes.
A new public
poll conducted by CBS News found strong support for Kennedy among
Republicans, unsurprisingly—but what is a surprise (although maybe it shouldn’t
be) is that those Republicans seem to have little idea of what they’re actually
supporting. Just 18 percent of GOPers surveyed agreed that RFK’s policies are
making vaccines harder to access; 43 percent of independents and 63 percent of
Democrats said so by comparison. Almost as many Republicans believed Kennedy is
making it easier to get vaccinated (11 percent) as believe he’s making
it more difficult.
A third poll—conducted
by YouGov in recent days—asked Americans whether RFK tends to follow the
science on vaccines or reject it. Democrats split 9-73, independents split
20-49, and Republicans split … 37-25. Relatedly, when CBS News delved deeper
into its data on RFK’s job approval, it found that Kennedy’s support correlates
strongly with what Americans believe—rightly or wrongly—that his position on
vaccination is. Those who think he’s making vaccines less available oppose him
all but unanimously, 13-87, whereas those who think he’s making vaccines more
available, or has left vaccine policy unchanged, support him overwhelmingly,
77-23.
What’s happening seems clear. Most Republicans continue
to back vaccines, although not the COVID vaccine specifically, and assume that
their presidential hero and his Cabinet share their priorities. They’re not
paying close attention to RFK because they trust Trump to do the right thing
for America, and the right thing for America, in their opinion, is making
vaccination cheap and accessible. So they assume that’s what Kennedy is doing.
It’s almost hard to fault them for their ignorance. If
you don’t follow political news day to day but vaguely remember Trump
spearheading a landmark vaccine moonshot during the pandemic, what would your
best guess be about the person whom he chose to lead HHS? That he’s in favor of
immunization or against it?
If you’re Bill Cassidy or some other vaccine-supporting
Republican, you might take in all of the above and think, “This battle can
still be won.” The crank faction of the right may be unreachable, but they’re
still merely a minority of the GOP; a strong, if very overdue, effort by
the top of the party to promote the benefits of inoculation might encourage the
pro-vaccine Republican majority to stand firm in their beliefs as Kennedy and
the cranks try to turn anti-vaxxism into right-wing orthodoxy. Treating RFK
skeptically at Thursday’s hearing was one way to encourage them.
In fact, for a few reasons, I can imagine a protracted
split developing within the GOP over this issue that’s unlike most other
Trump-era Republican divides. There’s an unusual authority crisis in the party
around this subject that’s creating opportunities for both sides of the schism.
Authority figures.
The modern right is a paradox in that it’s at odds on
many issues yet united to a freakish degree.
An uneasy coalition of postliberals and Reaganites can
and do disagree on everything from foreign interventionism to economic
protectionism to separation of powers to whether, er, law
is good. But because the GOP is a cult led by a single authority figure,
those differences are easily papered over once the leader settles the dispute by
siding with one faction or the other.
Consider how quickly the “end endless wars” bloc moved on
from Trump’s decision to bomb Iran. Doves were mad
about it, but they knew there would be no durable Republican backlash over
the matter. The leader had spoken.
What’s unique about the vaccine debate is that the leader
doesn’t want to speak. For once, he’s content to keep his head down and let his
supporters work it out among themselves.
Last month, the Wall
Street Journal reported that the president had been heard telling
donors “that he wished he could talk more about Operation Warp Speed, the
government program he initiated that helped expedite the development of the
vaccine.” He’s been spooked by populists’ antipathy to his greatest achievement
since they began
booing him for mentioning it in 2021. By 2023, he was frankly admitting to
interviewers that it was risky
for him to discuss it.
A man whose strength derives from his ability to turn
every issue into a litmus test for his base had failed a litmus test that his
base imposed on him. To this day, he remains so skittish around vaccine
politics that he won’t go further than to say of
the controversy around Kennedy, “Many people think [the COVID shots] are a
miracle that saved Millions of lives. Others disagree!” Show us the evidence
that mRNA vaccines work, the president demanded of America’s pharmaceutical
companies—while being careful not to take a position on that question himself.
(Spoiler: They
work.)
As ridiculous as the idea may seem, imagine how the
post-election period in 2020 might have played out among Republicans if Trump
had remained similarly agnostic about whether “the steal” had occurred. Without
the authority figure intimidating skeptics and egging on kooks, conspiracy
theories wouldn’t have gotten as much traction. GOP members of Congress and
right-wing media outlets would have been more willing to challenge them.
Rank-and-file partisans underwhelmed by the evidence of vote-rigging wouldn’t have
felt as obliged by partisanship to pretend otherwise. The naysayers on the
right probably would have won the argument, such as it was.
That’s the situation that Cassidy, Barrasso, and right-wing
media are now facing. They were too gutless and careerist to oppose the
president’s pal Bobby when he was up for confirmation, but they recognize that
Trump will never allow himself to go full anti-vax lest he forfeit the glory of
Operation Warp Speed. The authority figure has ceded his authority over the
subject, so pro-vax Republicans are going to try to fill the vacuum.
Another unusual element of the vaccine debate on the
right is that, for once, there are alternate authorities that rival Trump’s
own.
Ask Americans whom they trust for advice on vaccination
and they’re most likely to say doctors and nurses, as they did in the
poll that Republican senators saw before Kennedy’s hearing. Medical
expertise lends extra weight to criticism of Kennedy from the likes of Cassidy
and Barrasso. Better yet, Americans trust themselves: It makes sense that even
most Trump voters would support traditional vaccines for diseases like measles
and polio since most have received those shots themselves and remain alive and
kicking. It’s hard to scare people about an experience they’ve already had and
found not so scary.
And because this issue bears so heavily on children’s
safety, the average Republican should logically be less willing than usual to
defer to Trump on it, let alone longtime Democrat Robert F. Kennedy. It’s one
thing to trust the president on, say, tariffs—although
you shouldn’t—and quite another to trust him on whether your son or
daughter should roll the dice on whooping cough. You, not he, are the relevant
authority figure when it comes to your child.
Polarization.
There’s one more reason that Cassidy et al. might feel
moved to go on offense against Kennedy’s anti-vax propaganda. It’s not just
that he’s taken a
flamethrower to the CDC and is poised to release some cockamamie new
pseudo-science about the
“real cause” of autism. It’s that anti-vax mania is spreading in right-wing
policymaking and getting crazier as it does.
One day before the Senate hearing, Florida’s surgeon
general announced that the state will move to end vaccine mandates for kids—all
vaccine mandates, not just one for COVID. “Every last one of them is wrong
and drips with disdain and slavery,” Dr.
Joseph Ladapo said, not at all insanely.
Ladapo is the fruit of a poisonous political tree. He got
his job in 2021 when Gov. Ron DeSantis was preparing to run for president and
looking for ways to out-populist Trump. Having already established himself as a
right-wing folk hero for opposing left-wing lockdowns, DeSantis decided to go
full metal wingnut by placing Florida’s public health in the hands of a man
linked to a group that touted
hydroxychloroquine as a COVID cure. At his confirmation hearing, Ladapo
reassured concerned lawmakers that he was fine with vaccine
mandates for students. Now, go figure, he’s had a change of heart.
First him, then RFK: Republican legislatures will
rubber-stamp any ol’ crank a demagogue places in front of them as long as he’s
willing to make empty promises about behaving responsibly in office that no
serious person believes.
It feels strange as a classical liberal to argue for
mandates while authoritarians like DeSantis yelp for liberty, but the logic of
herd immunity compels it. With a disease like measles that’s extremely
contagious but can be stopped cold by vaccination, the only way to prevent it
from spreading is to immunize an extremely high percentage of the population.
In a circumstance like that, “my body, my choice” is really “your choice, my
body”: If the virus is allowed to circulate, infants and the immunocompromised
are at mortal risk.
Florida, not coincidentally, is currently below
the vaccination threshold needed to stop measles. And now, instead of doing
something about it, DeSantis and Ladapo are going to make it worse by lifting
mandates entirely. If you still believe that America is a serious country
capable of leading the world, meditate on the idea of a high state official
comparing a public health initiative that can eradicate deadly illnesses to
slavery.
I have to believe that Cassidy and Barrasso watched that
Ladapo press conference, looked at each other, and concluded that it’s past
time to try to derail this crazy train before it gathers any
more momentum. Because it’s already gathered quite a lot, you
know.
They might succeed. Trump’s recusal from the matter—plus
a solidly pro-vax GOP base and the alienating fanaticism of figures like
Ladapo—means the bipartisan consensus in favor of vaccination could hold,
especially if prominent Republicans continue to encourage it.
But this is America 2025, buddy. Things rarely turn out
for the best.
The other way this could go is the left revolting against
Kennedy and the Trumpified CDC and inspiring a counter-revolt on the right that
drives Republicans further into anti-vaxxism. It may have already begun: Blue
states are moving to blunt
the legal force of RFK’s policies and to issue their own
alternative recommendations on vaccines, potentially turning immunization
into another familiar culture war issue hyper-polarized along partisan lines.
What happens to support for vaccines within the GOP once the issue becomes a
litmus test of whether you trust Trump’s guy or Gavin Newsom more?
In fact, idiotic hyper-polarization is how Kennedy got
his job in the first place. On social media this week, I repeatedly watched
right-wingers whatabout left-wing critics of RFK by reminding them that the CDC
botched
all sorts of things during the pandemic, sometimes due to incompetence,
other times due to more
corrupt reasons. It’s because the expert class already destroyed public
faith in the institution, the argument went, that the right opted for radical
reform with Kennedy.
Which is on-brand for populism. “Anthony Fauci told us not
to wear masks in March 2020 so now we’re going to let deadly diseases
spread” is the modern right in its purest, stupidest, most destructive form.
Responding to liberal failures by doing something twice as insane and
irresponsible and then blaming the libs for supposedly forcing you to do it is
also the argument for reelecting Trump.
And so I wouldn’t bet my life that nihilistic populism
won’t prevail over Bill Cassidy’s pleas to not let children die needlessly when
we have stuff sitting on the shelf that can stop it from happening. Whether
it’s Mitch McConnell whiffing on convicting Trump at his 2021 impeachment trial
or Cassidy whiffing on blocking RFK’s confirmation, the curse of our feeble
Republican leadership class is not seizing opportunities to prevent foreseeable
catastrophes and then complaining
later when the catastrophe ensues. Good luck to the Republican M.D.s in the
Senate trying to somehow put the toothpaste back in the tube this time.
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