Wednesday, May 7, 2025

Why No One Can Win an Argument with Donald Trump

By Rich Lowry

Wednesday, May 07, 2025

 

Years and years ago, a television executive sent me to do a media training.

 

We looked at some clips, including one where I was convinced that I and the conservative host I was teamed up with had lost a debate to a progressive. The host got a very basic factual question wrong, and the progressive called him on it, and I assumed that was game, set, and match.

 

Oh, no — to the contrary, the trainer explained. Without realizing it, the host made a wholly erroneous rejoinder to the progressive, who was nonplussed, hesitated, and said “um” once or twice.

 

In that moment, when an extremely certain (but incorrect) statement was matched up against a faltering (but correct) statement, the extremely certain statement prevailed going away.

 

Good news: We had won, after all!

 

That’s how it goes on TV, which is highly sensitive to nonverbal cues and rewards an unshakably confident bearing. This is why, for instance, Bill O’Reilly never lost a debate on his old Fox show (he wasn’t the aforementioned host, by the way). His guest might have been better informed and might have been right about whatever was the question of the evening, but no one could out-dominate O’Reilly on his own turf.

 

President Trump, too, never loses an exchange on stage or during interviews. He is The O’Reilly Factor squared, liberated from the confines of a studio and bestriding the world with an utterly impregnable confidence that gives him an advantage in almost any circumstance.

 

Consider Trump’s MS-13 back-and-forth with Terry Moran of ABC News during a 100-days interview. The president seemed to be suggesting that the alphanumeric “MS-13,” pretty clearly added to a photo of Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s knuckle tattoos for the sake of explicating what each image meant, were also tattooed on Abrego Garcia’s fingers.

 

Moran contested this but didn’t want to get bogged down, so he was the one who appeared a little skittish, while Trump came back to the question again and again, spoke with total assurance, and upbraided Moran for his alleged unwillingness to acknowledge reality.

 

The average viewer, judging by the standards that people use when watching TV, surely would have thought Trump sounded right, just like my TV host in the clip mentioned above.

 

This is why Trump can do any interview at any time and not worry about getting cornered or looking particularly bad. Two of his big 100-days interviews were with Moran and Kristen Welker of Meet the Press, not journalists you select as a Republican president if you are defensive and afraid.

 

On Meet the Press, Trump bulldogged his way through everything, no matter how awkward.

 

Whether he’s contradicting himself, advancing an unpersuasive argument, or defending a falsehood, there’s never a doubt that Trump is in control.

 

There’s a different way of achieving the same result. JD Vance appears in control because he usually knows more than his interviewers. Trump is simply in control.

 

The president wouldn’t be where he is now without this quality, but it permits him to get away with mind-bending leaps of logic and reality-denying assertions that distort his movement and degrade the country’s political conversation.

 

Trump’s confidence also gets him only so far; it can’t overcome how people are feeling about matters affecting their daily lives (the fallout of Covid in 2020 and perhaps the fallout of the trade war, if it is bad later this year).

 

That said, Trump is a media trainer’s dream — all overwhelming confidence, all the time.

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